Irene Sanders Executive Director and Founder of the Washington Center for Complexity and Public Policy and author of "Strategic Thinking and the New Science: Planning in the Midst of Chaos, Complexity, and Change."

In the world of public policy there doesn't seem to be a lot of agreement. But one thing that is almost universally accepted is the notion that we live in a time of increasing complexity. Irene Sanders, one of the leading thinkers on complexity and its implications for solving the world's most challenging problems, joins host John Milewski to discuss how complexity and chaos principles are increasingly being used in the development and implementation of new approaches to public policy-making.